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Hello everyone. Last week I was talking about wine with a friend of mine and he brought up the issue about appellations. In his opinion the appellation does not count that much, although he admitted it plays a main role in wine, and he said that technology is the most important factor in wine making. He said a good wine maker can work miracles with grapes and maybe he is right.
Then he added most of the wines we have here in the US are made with the same French style grapes and therefore all the wines may end up tasting the same. I did not agree on this, however that made me think. Do you guys think the appellation counts in wine? I think yes, but this friend of mine made me think differently.
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In my opinion the appellation makes a difference. I can tell this by tasting the Riesling wines made here in Germany. Let's consider Mosel-Saar-Ruwer. Riesling from Bernkastel are very good and if you compare them with a wine from the Saar region you can tell they are very different one from each other. The same can be said for Bordeaux, for example. There is a lot of difference between wines from Haut Medoc and Medoc even though they are made with the same grapes. I tend to agree with what I usually read on diwinetaste: the area is important although quality in wines is not made only by that. There is also the reliability of the producer as well as the influence of vintage.
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The appellation certainly makes a difference in case we consider this factor as the expression of the peculiarities of a territory. Quality set by law probably makes no sense as long as the producer does not want to make quality wines. Every factor in wine making is equally important: territory, vintage, grapes, climate and, of course, the intervention of the producer. Although it is true wine makers can work miracles with wines, however from a mediocre wine you cannot have a great wine. You can eventually have a pretty better mediocre wine.
The fact that in the US most of wineries make use of French grapes does not mean appellation does not count. Appellations define a territory having particular qualities and peculiarities and I hope your friend agrees on the fact a Pinot Noir made in Sonoma is different from a Pinot Noir made in Oregon! They truly are different! Territory does count, really.
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In my opinion it really does. Just consider a Syrah (or Shiraz) from California, a Syrah from the Rhone and a Syrah from Barossa. The grape is the same but the result is completely different. The same can be said for any other grape, such as a Merlot from California and a Merlot from Pomerol. Appellation truly makes a difference as well as the winery!
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Appellation does make a big difference! Would you think a Médoc wine is comparable to a Haut-Médoc wine in Bordeaux? Well, I do not think so. The result is so different that you can tell just by taking a look at the wine despite the fact they are made with the same grapes. Would you compare a Pomerol with a Californian Merlot? Even though they both may be good, they are however different and this is because of the area, climate and environment. Appellation does make a difference!
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I have always believed appellation made a difference and I was pretty sure about this, however my friend kept on saying there are so many examples out there confirming his theories. He said appellation counted a lot in the past and now technology has reduced the quality gap among wineries and areas. He also added what were considered as mediocre appellations in the past are now believed to make good wines and this is because of technology.
I do believe appellation makes a difference, although I must also admit my friend is not wrong. If you take a look at a modern winery you can see they have all sort of machineries, machines are always present in each stage of wine making, from harvesting to bottling. This must play a role in the scene. What do you think?
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wineguy wrote:
I have always believed appellation made a difference and I was pretty sure about this, however my friend kept on saying there are so many examples out there confirming his theories. He said appellation counted a lot in the past and now technology has reduced the quality gap among wineries and areas. He also added what were considered as mediocre appellations in the past are now believed to make good wines and this is because of technology.

In case your friend is right, I think we could make wine in Norway and even in Greenland! Whether it is tru technology in wine making can be of great help, the contribution of the area is still invaluable and no technology will ever change this. Technology helped the improvement of wine quality, although, even today, there is a considerable gap between certain areas and others. Did you ever ask yourself the reason why a Chardonnay from Burgundy does not taste like a Chardonnay from California or from Italy?

wineguy wrote:
I do believe appellation makes a difference, although I must also admit my friend is not wrong. If you take a look at a modern winery you can see they have all sort of machineries, machines are always present in each stage of wine making, from harvesting to bottling. This must play a role in the scene. What do you think?

Like I said, technology has helped a lot the wine making process and it surely plays an important role in the scene. However I think there is more in wine and the area and appellation just make it more interesting, exciting and fun.
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miclan wrote:
Like I said, technology has helped a lot the wine making process and it surely plays an important role in the scene. However I think there is more in wine and the area and appellation just make it more interesting, exciting and fun.

Although technology helped a lot the the development and the improvement of wine making, I agree with miclan when he says there is more in wines than technology. It certainly plays a role but alone cannot make a quality wine in case other important factors are missing. Area does count a lot and it should be considered as one of the many important factors is wine making.
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antonello wrote:
Although technology helped a lot the the development and the improvement of wine making, I agree with miclan when he says there is more in wines than technology. It certainly plays a role but alone cannot make a quality wine in case other important factors are missing. Area does count a lot and it should be considered as one of the many important factors is wine making.

Indisputably technology has played a role in modern wine making but I don't think wine should be technology only. In my opinion technology has allowed to increased the overall quality of wines and the gap between great wineries and other wineries has reduced. I think we all should pay attention on the area more than in technology because, for example, Bordeaux can be found in Bordeaux only and Tuscany in Tuscany only. This truly makes a difference!
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Technology is useful for making wine,. this is for sure. In my opinion technology will never replace the benefit and advantage of area. Would you believe you can make a sparkling wine like Champagne in an area different from Champagne? I do not think so. I am not saying the result would be worse, I am just saying they would be different, despite the help of technology.
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I agree with jimmy. Technology is very important in wine making, but we cannot say it is the only important factor. It certainly helps, but it is mainly the area that makes a wine great or ordinary and this factor will never be replaced by technology.
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We all agree technology is important in wine making and it is probably so important that many wines would be the same without it. Maybe sometimes technology can make miracles even in case the area does not offer the best conditions. After all even a wine made in a very good area can be bad in case the proper techniques or technologies were both neglected! I know I am stirring up some debates, but I still believe technology plays an important factor in wqine making.
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Like I said, technology is very important but I do not think it is the only important factor. I understand wine technology has allowed to minimize the gap between great wineries and humble wineries, anyway there must also be more in a wine, including the area, grapes and human intervention. If technology would be the only important factor, I think we could make a wholly machine operated wine without any other help.
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joergwein wrote:
Like I said, technology is very important but I do not think it is the only important factor. I understand wine technology has allowed to minimize the gap between great wineries and humble wineries, anyway there must also be more in a wine, including the area, grapes and human intervention. If technology would be the only important factor, I think we could make a wholly machine operated wine without any other help.

Well, this seems to be happening already in many parts of the world, for example in Australia most of the wine making operations are made by using machinery, from harvesting to bottling. The same can also be said for many wineries in the US and particularly in California.
Steve

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